With all due respect sir, it's pretty nonsensical for people to behave as if it's an open question whether it's acceptable for muslim community leaders to attend conciliatory talks with the ADL. The ADL has been such a vigorous lobbier for the Israeli security apparatus and has engaged in information campaigning for decades on behalf of Israeli crimes with such fervor as to be a parastatal organization de facto, if not de jure. The ADL exercises tremendous pull with the Jewish diaspora in America in favor of Israel's interests, the same diaspora that Israel spends so much money and man-hours trying to sway because of the enormous importance it has for them both economically and politically. So no, I do not at all hold it within the confines of acceptable conduct for someone billing themself as an islamic community leader to go and sit down to tea with these people who have and continue to do everything in their power to see our people in palestine killed in the tens of thousands and expelled from our homes in the millions.
Alsalam alaikoum brother, it's obviously and undoubtedly bad because it's misleading, it give them a sense of legitimacy and adl is mislead although all the warnings even from prominent rabbis. The west (uk then us) are using Jews by antagonizing zionist for their own strategic interests of not having to deal with a unified Muslim entity ( Khilafa).
The west was kicked out of the Arab world after the second World War because they couldn't keep it (the resistance and the two new super powers), they change their strategy by having vassal states and israel as a watchdog/class bully but they knew back then that it will not hold for long as did experienced analysts.
Jews are being used as cheap soldiers ( biden speech "best spent 3 billion dollars ") and we suffer from it with the atrocities and the induced backwardness.
Even worse, doing it in the uae, which share a single common with the saudi, which is that, contrary to Arab traditions, there is no tracing of lineage of both al nahian nor al saud.
Luckily, bizn Allah, that will definitely change soon. If we read Quran 17:7, we'll understand that right after "the saddening of their faces, we will enter the Masjid Al Aqsa in chaa Allah".
The good thing, subhan Allah, that nowadays, all masks are off and we, MUSLIMS, see our path clearly.
Anti-Defamation League purports itself to be a combatant of antisemitism. We know they have a checkered history with some questionable decisions but nonetheless simply talking to them does not make you a "normalizer". Normalizer should only specifically mean those completely in favor of Muslim countries (UAE, KSA, etc) normalizing relations with the State of Israel. So unless he's been vocally pushing that, he's not one. Simple as that. If you dislike him or even hate him for other reasons, that's fine and your right, but also a separate discussion.
I guess my question is, well respected by who? He seems to be more of a showman than anything. I think is high level of eloquence and intellect blinds people to his many problems. We cannot overlook the fact that he is white and that many people think that because one is white then they are right. If he were a person of color he would not get off with many of the things that he says. But Muslims don't like to talk like this because it makes them uncomfortable.
Not only should we not normalize the Zionist Entity, we should not normalize monarchies like UAE & KSA & dictatorships like Egypt & mass black incarceration in USA & denial of rights to migrants & ecological destruction & poverty - ok, you get the idea.
I was never really into these conferences, but I used to think, 'there may be a problem with "Sidi culture."' Is going to weekend conferences and talking about Sidi Amr & Sidi Zayd still a thing?
Mr. Yusuf's talks are mostly about himself, mostly defensive. He comes off as narcissistic.
The younger Muslim generation are hungry for a legit firm Muslim leadership, not just "good speakers" and fancy preachers.
Actions speak louder than words. Practice what you preach.
Instead of engaging the hecklers, he starts a rant defending himself quoting hadith and ayaat we've heard a million times, diverting from the main issue: CHILDREN ARE DYING IN GAZA!
Sitting down with even the worst of the enemies should not be taken as a sign of acceptance of the enemy's ideologies and beliefs. Normalizing, in my extremely limited scope of knowledge, would be to accept the current state of the Palestinians and not working towards safeguarding the fundamental rights of our Muslim brethren, wherever they may be, be it Palestine, Rohingya or China. Simply meeting with the ADL, and not having any information about the content of their discussion, would not make one a normalizer. Overall, I would like to have good thoughts of all of my Muslim brethren, especially someone who is a highly respected scholar of Islam [by his contemporaries] and I would not change this opinion unless I came across proof which would make me think otherwise and I would actively not go out of my way looking for such proof.
This article is an epitome of decontextualization & misrepresentation!! In that picture Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, our very own Imam Mohamed Magid(Adams, Sterling VA) & an older sheikh are meeting with Jews. NOT every Jew is a Zionist. I don’t see a single flag of Israel.
If you have doubts - then look up the position of Rabbi Weiss of the Neturei Karta. They stand against the state of Israel & believe in peaceful deconstruction of the state of Israel. They show up at every single Pro-Palestinian demonstration, including the largest rally in DC & promote the cause of Palestinians. In Israel they work to free unjustly prisoned Palestinian. They all ARE Jews and NOT every Jew is a Zionist!!
Jews are NOT our enemy!! Zionists are the true enemy of Islam & Palestine! There are far more Jews standing up for Palestinian rights than Muslims.
It is out of sheer ignorance, people are spreading this misinformation. There is no excuse for Ignorance. Allah gave us the faculties to read, learn & become educated. Ignorance will surely lead to the doom of Muslims.
Brother - educate yourself before you spread misinformation!
A "normalizer," in our context, is one who endorses or advocates for normal, friendly, economic and/or political or defense relations with Israel. It may or may not include recognizing the Israel as a state. Sh. Hamza is clearly a normalizer in this case because his view is Islamically we should do whatever the ruler of UAE says to do, and the ruler of UAE wants and has normalized relations with the Israeli regime.
The next issue is whether normalization is good or bad Islamically, but I take it that is a separate discussion than the question you raise here.
I find Sh. Hamza's views on Masjid Al Aqsa completely outrageous and dangerous, and that may affect the issue of whether he should be classified as a normalizer. The alim at the alislam productions youtube channel provide a good discussion re the matter.
With all due respect sir, it's pretty nonsensical for people to behave as if it's an open question whether it's acceptable for muslim community leaders to attend conciliatory talks with the ADL. The ADL has been such a vigorous lobbier for the Israeli security apparatus and has engaged in information campaigning for decades on behalf of Israeli crimes with such fervor as to be a parastatal organization de facto, if not de jure. The ADL exercises tremendous pull with the Jewish diaspora in America in favor of Israel's interests, the same diaspora that Israel spends so much money and man-hours trying to sway because of the enormous importance it has for them both economically and politically. So no, I do not at all hold it within the confines of acceptable conduct for someone billing themself as an islamic community leader to go and sit down to tea with these people who have and continue to do everything in their power to see our people in palestine killed in the tens of thousands and expelled from our homes in the millions.
Alsalam alaikoum brother, it's obviously and undoubtedly bad because it's misleading, it give them a sense of legitimacy and adl is mislead although all the warnings even from prominent rabbis. The west (uk then us) are using Jews by antagonizing zionist for their own strategic interests of not having to deal with a unified Muslim entity ( Khilafa).
The west was kicked out of the Arab world after the second World War because they couldn't keep it (the resistance and the two new super powers), they change their strategy by having vassal states and israel as a watchdog/class bully but they knew back then that it will not hold for long as did experienced analysts.
Jews are being used as cheap soldiers ( biden speech "best spent 3 billion dollars ") and we suffer from it with the atrocities and the induced backwardness.
Even worse, doing it in the uae, which share a single common with the saudi, which is that, contrary to Arab traditions, there is no tracing of lineage of both al nahian nor al saud.
Luckily, bizn Allah, that will definitely change soon. If we read Quran 17:7, we'll understand that right after "the saddening of their faces, we will enter the Masjid Al Aqsa in chaa Allah".
The good thing, subhan Allah, that nowadays, all masks are off and we, MUSLIMS, see our path clearly.
Anti-Defamation League purports itself to be a combatant of antisemitism. We know they have a checkered history with some questionable decisions but nonetheless simply talking to them does not make you a "normalizer". Normalizer should only specifically mean those completely in favor of Muslim countries (UAE, KSA, etc) normalizing relations with the State of Israel. So unless he's been vocally pushing that, he's not one. Simple as that. If you dislike him or even hate him for other reasons, that's fine and your right, but also a separate discussion.
I guess my question is, well respected by who? He seems to be more of a showman than anything. I think is high level of eloquence and intellect blinds people to his many problems. We cannot overlook the fact that he is white and that many people think that because one is white then they are right. If he were a person of color he would not get off with many of the things that he says. But Muslims don't like to talk like this because it makes them uncomfortable.
Normalization is exactly the right term.
Not only should we not normalize the Zionist Entity, we should not normalize monarchies like UAE & KSA & dictatorships like Egypt & mass black incarceration in USA & denial of rights to migrants & ecological destruction & poverty - ok, you get the idea.
I was never really into these conferences, but I used to think, 'there may be a problem with "Sidi culture."' Is going to weekend conferences and talking about Sidi Amr & Sidi Zayd still a thing?
Sh Hamza Yusuf is a very influential scholar in the west
Mr. Yusuf's talks are mostly about himself, mostly defensive. He comes off as narcissistic.
The younger Muslim generation are hungry for a legit firm Muslim leadership, not just "good speakers" and fancy preachers.
Actions speak louder than words. Practice what you preach.
Instead of engaging the hecklers, he starts a rant defending himself quoting hadith and ayaat we've heard a million times, diverting from the main issue: CHILDREN ARE DYING IN GAZA!
Sitting down with even the worst of the enemies should not be taken as a sign of acceptance of the enemy's ideologies and beliefs. Normalizing, in my extremely limited scope of knowledge, would be to accept the current state of the Palestinians and not working towards safeguarding the fundamental rights of our Muslim brethren, wherever they may be, be it Palestine, Rohingya or China. Simply meeting with the ADL, and not having any information about the content of their discussion, would not make one a normalizer. Overall, I would like to have good thoughts of all of my Muslim brethren, especially someone who is a highly respected scholar of Islam [by his contemporaries] and I would not change this opinion unless I came across proof which would make me think otherwise and I would actively not go out of my way looking for such proof.
normalisation with zionists is an UAE objective
question is who does HY serve?
The below book (esp. chapters 7 & 8) highlight the history and philosophy behind the shaykh's worldview.
edinburghuniversitypress.com/pub/media/ebooks/9781399502795.pdf
This article is an epitome of decontextualization & misrepresentation!! In that picture Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, our very own Imam Mohamed Magid(Adams, Sterling VA) & an older sheikh are meeting with Jews. NOT every Jew is a Zionist. I don’t see a single flag of Israel.
If you have doubts - then look up the position of Rabbi Weiss of the Neturei Karta. They stand against the state of Israel & believe in peaceful deconstruction of the state of Israel. They show up at every single Pro-Palestinian demonstration, including the largest rally in DC & promote the cause of Palestinians. In Israel they work to free unjustly prisoned Palestinian. They all ARE Jews and NOT every Jew is a Zionist!!
Jews are NOT our enemy!! Zionists are the true enemy of Islam & Palestine! There are far more Jews standing up for Palestinian rights than Muslims.
It is out of sheer ignorance, people are spreading this misinformation. There is no excuse for Ignorance. Allah gave us the faculties to read, learn & become educated. Ignorance will surely lead to the doom of Muslims.
Brother - educate yourself before you spread misinformation!
A "normalizer," in our context, is one who endorses or advocates for normal, friendly, economic and/or political or defense relations with Israel. It may or may not include recognizing the Israel as a state. Sh. Hamza is clearly a normalizer in this case because his view is Islamically we should do whatever the ruler of UAE says to do, and the ruler of UAE wants and has normalized relations with the Israeli regime.
The next issue is whether normalization is good or bad Islamically, but I take it that is a separate discussion than the question you raise here.
I find Sh. Hamza's views on Masjid Al Aqsa completely outrageous and dangerous, and that may affect the issue of whether he should be classified as a normalizer. The alim at the alislam productions youtube channel provide a good discussion re the matter.